Nordic swords, spirals and the Dorian
Two points (taken for true in discussion) :
1.) The Indogerman- hypothesis supposes that northenn groups of *Post -
Magdalénean* left the area of the western Baltic Sea by ship since the 4th
.millennium . At least down the Danube, for seafarer a ´comfortable´ neolithic
highway. Within one summer they could reach the Aegaean Sea
2.) Spirals are widespread sun-symbols in Europe and Near East. May be
showing a cultural link between North and South.
a.)The older megalith graves (4th millenium b.)
Along the westcoast only isolates. A sandy soil named GEEST, washed out
by the melting waters of the last ice age.(Almgren)
b.) The Bronce Age Germanic Giffzungenschwerter
(Bronze leaf blade sword, ~1200 b.) Cowen
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Where did the tin come from ?
Cornwall, Erzgebirge (Germany)
There are two larger tin deposits in Europe
1.) In European historical times well known the deposids in Cornwall .
SW-England. The Phoenician probably had knowledge of these deposits.
conceivably an early trade connection even over sea to the Mediterranean
and - not proven -Jutland - Scandinavia.
2.) Tin, copper and iron deposits are known in Central Europe Erzgebirge
comfortably connected with northern Europe by ship down the river Elbe.
Herodot This in mind an amazing report of Herodot 3/115 "
Of the extreme traces of Europe towards the west I cannot speak with any
certainty, for I do not allow that there is any river to which the babarians
give the name of Eridanus, emptying itself into the northern sea. where
(as the tale go) amber is produced, nore do I know of any Islands called the
Tin Islands, whence the tin comes we use. For in the first place the name
Eridanus is manifestly not a barbarian word at all, but a Greek name,
invented by some poet or other; and secondly though I have taken great
pains, I have never been able to get an eyewitness that there is any sea
on the further side of Europe. Nevertheless tin and amber do certainly come
to us from the ends oft the earth
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Problem: Vein deposits, such as those in Bolivia and in Conwall usually
occur in granite formations and are recovered by conventional underground
hardrock mining techniques. Techniques scarcely practicable in 1600 b.
More productive are alluvial fields. After weathering of rocks containing tin
relatively shallow deposits of finegrained minerals have accumulated in
ancient riverbeds or valleys (Stream Tin )
In modern times large proportion of this ´superficial´ sand-tin is mined by
gravel pumping. In this method, the barren overburden has been removed,
often by draglines or shovels and high pressure water jets are used to break
up and dislodge the tin-bearing sand.
In 1241/42 on the metal market in Cologne continental tin appeared as com-
petition to English tin. From 1324 the term *cynsifen* . (tin soap) is known .
Starting from approximately 1560 also hard rock minimg is proven.
"Hard-rock mining began in Cornwall during the course of the16.th century
A.C.The english mine owners brought in German miners, the acknowledged
masters of this type of mining. Concession were granted to the German
miners, for they alone had the necessary experience and technology" (Muhly)
1988 2.500 t Erzgebirge tin was produced. (1.2% of the world production)
1988 Cornwall became uneconomic and closed,
1991 the ´Erzgebirge´ followed.
http://www.geodienst.de/erzgebirge.htm
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The development of stream deposited sediments of tin-sand needed geo-
logical time intervals.Thus if in historical times tinsand in the Erzgebirge has
been mined then tin-sand must have been in existence even in the older
Bronze Age
1.) To get tin all a ´neolithic´ prospector needed was a shovel
2.) For Northerners tin deposits in the Erzgebirge were easily to reach by
ship down the river Elbe/Saale.
Facit: Who searched for copper in the Erzgebirge can´t hardly have overlook
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Nordic Bronce Swords
Nordic Vollgriffschwerter (full handle swords ) of the older Bronce Age( Peroid II) (1400 b.)
Ottenjann
Denmark
530 of such hilts are proven in the area of the western BalticSea.
The handle is connected by rivets to the sword blade.This riveting is short ,
is mechanically less resistant. Thus swords presumably a status symbol, not
for fighting.
At the beginning of the warlike Urnenfelderzeit (Urnfield, 1200 b.) replaced
by the Griffzungenschwert (tang sword) (see below)
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Nebra ~1600 b.
Problem 1 :
"The Early Bronze Age full-handle swords in the Baltic region become known
only from hoards. The majority of fullhandle swords dates from late Bronze Age
tombs. The reason for the sudden increase in the amount of discovery in the
earlier Bronze Time could be trade in different ways but the real cause lies in
this case in the rise of a separate northern sword-produktion
"All Nordic bronze swords with hollow bronze handles were cast in a so-called
lost wax process.
starting with high tech ?
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Problem 2
Problem 3
530
of such hilts are proven in the area of the
western BalticSea.
A
worldwide singular accumulation of swords allmost all decorated with spirals
The pommel plates and hilts of older Nordic swords show almost invariably
spirals and ´Würfelaugen( cubes eyes) -
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The swords do not show traces of fighting along the sword´s edge but more
superficial ornaments on the grip got so much worn that often the original
ornament was lost. (Ottenjann)Northern full handle swords not for fighting but primarily a status symbol ?
The isolated North at this time a relatively peacefull area ?
thus
The > genetically< isolated North a peacefull long *Urheimat*
of Post - Magdalénian reindeer hunter ?
Sounds strange, but Homer may in part support this ´isolated´ view.
Odysseus is beached in a storm on the coast of the Pheaaken. (Spanuth
relates the Pheaaken with Atlantis) Here washing maids of princess Nausicaa
found him. They runaway screaming. ( Odysseus was sparsely dressed.)
Nausikaa called them back..Stand, my maidens. Whither do ye flee at the sight of a man? Ye do not think,
surely, that he is an enemy ? That mortal man lives not, or exists nor shall ever
be born who shall come to the land of the Phaeacians as foeman, for we are
very dear to the immortals
Far off we dwell in the surging sea, the furthermost of men, and no other mortals have dealings with us..”Odyss. Nausikaa Od.6/200,279 ff Voss
Herodot 4/13 may support this quite and peacefull view.
--over these the Hyperborean bordering the sea. All of these - except the Hyperboreen - always fought their neighbour.
The Hyperboreaan are related to Stonehenge
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In early times a relatively thinly settled area with no population pressure and
being geographically isolated in north-west and east by open seas with no neighbours to wage a fight .
Problem: For young men - descendents of reindeer hunters- a peacefull and
thus a long time with no resorces against boredom
Tacitus (3) * there is nothing at all within the national or personal range, which
they would carry out without armament.-- 22) then they go to their business,
less often also to drinking-bouts, in weapons "
A community formed by a millennia-old culture of hunters but not of farmers ?
Joung men grown up with a sword in hand being only a status symbol.Their outlook on live : No fight but milking cows
Their dream
within one summer down the Danube to the Mediteranian.(Troi - Karatepe?)
and then
A fight I stand, which I do not know,
A way I go, which I do not know."
A name, which lasts, I want to set
Admit may sound a little bit strange, but in the isölated North
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Griffzungenschwerter
>>Grip tongue sword<<
Problem:The older´ Vollgriffschwerter (full handle) had suffered from the fact
that in most cases the blade was made separately from the hilt, i.e. it had
to be attached to blade with rivets.This caused a problem if the weapon was
used to cut or parry a blow
The joint between blade and hilt had to withstand tensile loads in fight which
could break the rivets and / or their mounting holes.
No problen in peace- times, if a sword mainly being a status symbol.
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In 1200 -700 b. with the beginning of the violent Eurpean Urnfield wartimes,
swords were needed for fighting.
The entire weapon was made in a single bronze casting which incorporated
raised flanges into the edges of the 'tongue' in order to accept grips of
wood or bone.This innovation made possible the development of the world's
first truly efficient cut-and-thrust sword
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1: Hojlandsvandet, Denmark; 2: Ruegen, Germany; 3: Mycenae,
4: Egypt; 5: San Benedetto in Perillis, Italy;
6: Annenheim, Carinthia, Austria; 7: Leoben, Steiermark, Austria
8: Fucino, Italy; 9: Fucino, Italy; 10: San Benedetto in Perillis, Italy
http://www.eclectichistorian.net/Griffzungenschwert
Griffzungenschwerter Mykene Nordfunde Bronze age waepons Rumania
Mykene 1 Mouliana (Kreta) 2 Metaxata Kephallenia 3 Diktäische
Grotte, 4 Mykene, 5 Delphi, 6 Olympia, 7 Diakata Kephallenia,
8 Jalysos, 9 Diktäische Grotte
( Funde aus der Katastrophenzeit der mykenischen Kultur. Milojocic) zit. Spanuth
Nordfunde 1 Boslunde, Dänemark 2 Seelwig, Krs.Dannenberg
3 Wehdel, 4 Hoilandsvandet,Dänemark 5 Frankfurt/Oder 6 Ülzen
7 Friedeberger Hütte, 8 Slate,Krs. Parchim 9 Dobbin Krs. Güstrow ( Nordische Bronzezeit und frühes Griechentum Sprockhoff,1954 )
Interestingly, one of the earliest datable specimens of the
NaueType found in the Mediterranean region is an Egyptian
sword inscribed for SetiII (ca. 1202- 1196 b.)
In his study of warfare at the end of the Bronze Age, Robert
Drews tallied up the following counts for finds of the bronze NaueType
Cyprus 9 Near East 29 Greece 29
Italy 100 Yugoslavia 130 enlargeThe way Northerners invading European South ?
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Finds of iron
The unique concentration of bronze swords of the older (~1500 b.) and
middle Bronce Age may point precariously to a northern technical ´leading´position.
A hypothesis supported by
1.) early iron finds in Northern Europe and
2.) the Dorian using iron slashing swords c.1200 b.
As in the Bronze Age the Erzgebirge again offered the raw material. In
historical time the iron production in the Erzgebirge had an economcal significance.
http://www.bayernfichtelgebirge.de/bergbau/
a.) Early finds of iron and the supposed propagation of the knowledge in
the processing of iron. Assumed origin and propagation from the Near East
to the North.(see direction of arrow - (click))
b.) Finds of iron (13.-8.century b.) in the area of the western BalticSea.
(Rieckhoff)
c.) spreading of iron swords of the Typ 'Mindelheim'.( Wilms) ),
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Problem: Why this amassment of iron in the area of the Nordic circle'?
Iron swords could have been a logical consequence of processing bronze
Logically because a prospector looking for tin in the Erzgebirge can´t
scarcely overlook the Braun-eisen-stein (´brown iron stone) laying more or
less on the earth surface.
The Bronze Age prospectors knew the technique of founding copper .If so,
why not thinking about making comparable experiments with Brauneisen-
stein ?The supposed origin of iron technology in the Near East may appeare pre-
carious, but around 1100 b.´ foreigners´ with iron weapons invaded Greece
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The Dorian The Dorian used iron slashing swords.
" Around 1100 BC.the Dorian appear in Greece. An actual fact, the origins
of the Dorians are necessarily obscure, but it appears they originated in
northern and northwestern Greece, i.e., Macedonia and Epirus
From there they apparently swept southward into central Greece and then
into the southern Aegean area in successive migrations beginning about
1100 BC, at the end of the Bronze Age.The invading Dorians had a relatively low cultural level, and their only major technological innovation was the iron slashings sword. The Dorians swept
away the last of the declining Mycenaean and Minoan civilizations of
southern Greece and plunged the region into a darkage out of which the
Greek city-states began to emerge almost three centures later."
Encyclo. Britannica
Where did the Dorian learned the processing of iron ? In Macedonia ?
Jerm.15,12 f. Shall iron break the northern iron and the steel?
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Seapeople
At the same time around 1200 b.. the Sea People appear in the
Mediterranean attacking Ramses III with typical northern longships
Around 700 b. longships are proven used by Phonicians. In form looking like
Viking ships (Khorsabad, Sargon II)
Facit: If the Dorian with iron slashing swords actually came from the north
(part of them by ship?), then a processing of iron may had been developed
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Crete / Mycenae
Spirals widespread in Crete and Mycenae
"The Pre-Palace period which followed (2600-2000 BC) was characterized
by cultural changes, evidently due to the arrival on the island of new settlers
who brought with them a knowledge of bronzeworking" (Sakellarakis)
Mycenae (15.Jh b.)
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"fine driven golden plates enclose the hilt of this bronze sword from the
15.Jh.B.C.The hilt is 25 cm long and so far the largest, ever found in a
Mycenaean grave. It was discovered in a prince grave on the island
Staphylos." (Casson) (my trans.)
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Spirals on the hilt of Nordic ´full hand´ swords in the midst of the 2th
millennia. c.1400 b. Compareable swords,.in Mycenea Crete c.1500 b.
Problem : Transfer of knowledge: Söuth to North or North to South ?
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